SOLE Out of the Box Notes

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There is a virtual online connected ‘world’ or ‘sim, a parallel and augmented virtual “Center”. This is one way each Learning Center connects with another. This is a robust media ecosystem component. It allows immersive online collaboration synchronously and asynchronously, is integrated into the STEAM and Design Science components. A visualization tool for emergent construction.

P2PTV or PeerTV. As part of the content and media environment a suite of channels, Peer Projects live or canned. This would rapidly share scenarios and tools. With virtual world streaming and mixed reality events collaboration can go into 3D and be printed and rapidly prototyped irrespective of location.

WSJ: What Drives Us to Do the Right Thing? A Look at Recent Brain Research on Voluntary Giving Versus Avoiding Punishment

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[a]As a quick general comment: this document is getting long, and the side discussion is interesting. Can we take *pieces* of the document and break them out into mini-essays, each one maybe 250 words, all part of a 10-point outline? I think this will make it easier for others to follow. One possible &quot;model&quot; to follow (abstractly) is: http://hackingbusinessmodel.info/

[b]nice! Thanks +Joe I'll give that a go. The document has had some time to

morph!

[c]me, as I read, I will comment live, fresh to what is written, if you don't mind :)

[d]Thanks John! Awesome to have your inputs

[e]Nice. I'd like to see how this is solved. Ecosquared protocols seem to fracture economics, so that everyone is a partial employer/employee, funder/funded...

[f]I need to understand eco2 better. Maybe we could solve it together

[g]Sure :) Understanding of MTTP is a hell of a task, but SEA is relatively simple. FTP is the one we are working on right now, and as mentioned to Joe, there's a lot of flexibility. Basically, we have some mechanics for moneyflow, specifically for pure p2p protocols, but decision-making for collectives is the nut to crack and no idea (or little) how that may work. Solutions for that would be mightily appreciated.

[h]Makes sense... and valid points by Sugata above... You would not believe how crazy my math classes sometimes became... but most of the time, I was interested in getting alignment: the whole class operating together as a unit -- not a military unit, but a self-organised flock, a swarm.

[i]what we are all doing is definitely a SOLE. I wonder who is facilitating it?

[j]Who is this guy? Nice resonance with my thinking too. Wrote an article at the end of the ha-ha experiment and thought the innovation may come from elders -- http://ecosquared.info/2013/10/centerless-politic-and-old-people/

[k]UDL must be multi generational. What respectful way, as you say, to pass along the wisdom and not hoard it?

[l]Indeed. Wisdom, in our society, is sorely missed.

[m]I did this with my own parents. They don't think their lives hold much value. But yes, definitely, not just for their children once they grow old, but for contemporaries... and it increases our ability to listen, perhaps. I would like to listen to an old dude who has been voted up by his peers -- and not purely because of his position, a legacy shadow of his position in the adult-game. That is, specifically those old dudes who were not recognised in the adult-game, but after those games have been seen to be shallow, they are recognised. Yup, these people I'd like to hear.

[n]It's easy to write mission statements, but once the force behind a movement disappears, keeping it on track, these mission statements and financial mechanisms can lead to the level of disorder mentioned by Joe above. That is, any objective system in our current economic structure, has a tendency to degrade. In my humble opinion, we need to change the basic DNA of money, thus deriving a completely different platform of ecology of economics. This gives us a greater chance of escaping from the cycle of poor financial mechanisms lurching along because of the incredible efforts of a few liminal individuals and sporadic mass appeal.

[o]agreed, but how? Is there a design that can be in both worlds?

[p]Well, I like to think yes with ecosquared protocols. Who cares about the name, it's a means by which money has been hacked. Problem is, for some reason, people can't 'see' it. Or at least, few have in two years. I am going to have a second conversation with Joe next Friday and I wonder if that will be the topic? Our main purpose of engagement is the underlying math, and shift in our understanding of math, but I suspect the economic application may be a good ground to talk.

[q]Made me think of &quot;unMonastery: a new kind of social space, akin to co-living and co-working spaces, that serves the local communities of towns or small cities by enabling a process of co-creation and co-learning between the community and unMonasterians.&quot; http://www.unmonastery.eu/index.php/goals/

[edit]: Just saw unMonastery mentioned below. :P

[r]interesting example. lots of baggage with 'monastery' but the goal is definitely social business.

I'm leaning towards aggressively self reliant in terms of the learner and their individual journey. But I like the historical reference in the sense that the social contract is being rewritten at a time when kings are not providing guidance

[s]Excellent question. Logarithmic growth, fractal growth, I believe must be an essential part of it. By suggesting these SOLES, or CyberGarage, there is a tendency to commit to a step-change that is beyond current load capacity. That is, thinking things we don't have the power, money, or mind-mass to achieve. So, my suggestion is, what can be done by next week with the resources available; building within whatever we do, an intention for potential growth, as efficient as possible -- not relying on marketing etc, and the financial mechanisms we are used to?

[t]I like the question: &quot;What can be done by next week with the resources available?&quot; We could also try to imagine &quot;... by next month?&quot;, &quot;... by next quarter?&quot;, &quot;... by next year?&quot;

The thing is, plans around the Peeragogy project are often so non-linear and ephemeral, it can be hard to tell if we have, or are capable of holding onto, a real &quot;roadmap&quot;, even when we think something is really important. The &quot;Roadmaps in Peer Learning&quot; section of this article talks about that issue: http://peeragogy.org/assessment/

On the positive side, we ARE having these weekly meetings, so there's the CHANCE to have concrete goals each week (and also to try and check in about longer term goals).

ATM my goal is to get some sleep.

[u]Yes, that's been my problem with communities since 2008: a lot of talk, diversity. My focus has always been on alignment, on conclusion, on achieving objectives collectively. Being with 30 loony kids in a class help focus the mind on immediate results, and I found achieving idealistic objectives the perfect ingredient. Adults' division of mundane and ideal is... challenging, something I have not been able to crack. My first social innovation in the adult world was the Action Cycle, which has had some amazing results, but never tried in a financial setting, for which it was designed; basic question to answer: what can be done by next week. It was the foreground question to the ha-ha's too. I like your scalable aspect; it fits into a recent upgrade to the idea which I've called Zeno Consensus. May be part of a winning solution ;)

[v]It looks like the maker movement may have an answer of sorts. And there's

no worries about deadlines, things happen when its time. So, in brief, the

Peeragogy Handbook is the Owner's Manual of the Makerspace (read Cyber

Grange whatever) that is a SOLE organized as a social business. Locally we

may have some options.

[w]Well, that's it. I think that it is all about time. Not deadlines, since those are imposed. But the equivalent of self-discipline is induced by self-binding to temporal parameters. That's why I haven't gelled with various collectives. My gearing wrt time is at complete odds with current understanding. And it is not just for collective actions; I believe and practice in the aspect of communication which has no temporal width, or if it has, it is in microseconds. Thus the importance I place on synchronous engagement; the bias on asynchronous communication forms in academia is pervasive. Anyhooplas... I believe we have enough resonance between us to be useful to further one another's projects, and perhaps align to a mutual one. Be well!

[x]plenty to align with! The point is to keep moving, even if we don't exactly

know where we are going. Its a pleasure to collaborate and I'll post the

draft of this particular deadline as we move to new ones. Sometime in the

AM, here. Still editing with all your wonderful thoughts. The Handbook

Rules! I think we haven't thought it out enough and there may be a more

robust financial incentive, let's see. The math is very important. Since

so much of the financial backing relates to STEM an STEAM, a powerful p2p

model of mathematical learning is critical. I'm glad you guys have it under

control!

Cheers

[y]Hehehe, wouldn't call it that, by any stretch of the imagination!! But certainly, I put learning math at the centre of things, speaking as a math teacher I guess I would say that :) Glad we have enough resonance, at least at this point. Let's see what unfolds.

[z]Definitely. Sustainable in the current traditional economic system, as well as operational in creating an alternative one. It must bridge both.

[aa]This is where Christopher's later work on the nature of order can inform how SOLEs can scale to SOCIETY wit large... It's different than a distributed system. CA describes living centers which are themselves wholes, which are generative of other living centers. There are no true whole-part relations, rather compositional assemblages of living centers (aka wholes) which learn from each other and then move to new context (niches) to adapt into entirely new wholes. All living centers participate in an open and unbounded collective -- there is no &quot;unifying principle&quot; -- the entire system is generative through and through

[ab]a wonderful vision. Is this direction you are moving, following CA?

[ac]Very influential in my thinking, reading this in my late 20's.

[ad]Connecting deeply... and financially? How significant is the bringing in of money to a community to this deepening? Genuine question -- I don't know enough about this.

[ae]for someone with no money it would be very important. I'm almost thinking a base salary, life like a paid Internship as you 'learn'.

[af]Just saw an article where they are experimenting with giving people at subsistence level in Canada somewhere a lump sum, see what they do with it. I honestly believe spend way too much in the decision process, and if we reduce the middleman in government and also in companies, via p2p network, we evolve a system which is more efficient, in certain ways though more redundant in others -- which I think is a good thing, as you recognise at the start of this document!!

[ag]Is this possible to do from now? That is, the BEP can operate between us, and it scales until it can generate the funds to create the physicalised Learning Center?

[ah]Hi, this is the question for all of us--peeragogy. I've been trying to imagine a virtual scenario. And there is no reason it couldn't be an incremental approach. It comes down to what the value proposition is and how we can enact it.

[ai]We may cover it when Joe and I talk tomorrow -- http://isithappening.org/campaigns/deriving-the-math-of-ecosquared-part-two/-- in fact, we will be demonstrating it, since the two people involved who have backed this is us two. Feel free to add $10 if you think that my engagement here so far has been worth a future investment :) [aj]Actually, if everyone in the G+ group put in $10 it would be a nice start up fund. Is eco2 or peeragogy a 501.c3? (non profit) [ak]David, that link is dead [al]Yes, it could be thought as a start-up fund -- a large collective one that isn't touched. It's like Joe's idea of nonstarter, but the money is used more as a guarantee rather than a front-end payment. hmm sorry, something hasn't worked with g+ the link is http://isithappening.org/campaigns/deriving-the-math-of-ecosquared-part-two/ [am]its around $600USD to get non-profit status, so at least you could move ahead. As a math startup, or peeragogy startup -- however we think about it-- math would automatically open you to grant options. [an]here' the other end of the spectrum &quot;The company pays instructors a percentage of revenue from the class downloads, with some instructors pulling in more than $100,000 for two or three-day workshops.&quot; http://www.geekwire.com/2013/creativelive-247-live-education/

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Jan Herder &lt;jan.herder@gmail.com&gt; wrote:

&gt; its around $600USD to get non-profit status, so at least you could move &gt; ahead. As a math startup, or peeragogy startup -- however we think about &gt; it-- math would automatically open you to grant options. &gt; &gt; &gt; On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:21 PM, david pinto (Google Docs) &lt;

[ao]&quot;Those courses, which are in-depth tutorials often led by best-selling authors, Pulitzer Prize winners or other top experts in their fields, typically range from $29 to $199.&quot; No wonder they get the revenue. You are jumping a few orders in network importance. As far as I am concerned, I am a nobody. So, I must think of solutions that any nobody can muster. Sure, one day, we may be operating at that scale -- but if we join them, we are no better than them, and the economic system continues. Social reputation/capital is like financial capital: money makes more money, famous people accrue more fame. Let's change this. [ap]I'm in!